Puyallup Closes To Sport Fishing...

[Amx]

And how many of those over 60, like I am, even HAVE a computer? Not to mention there are LOTS of people who don't have computers and don't want one.

[tommytitan08]

Im not too familiar with the location but i am kind of computer illiterate. Where is freeman road? Is that on the levee side before the bridge that crosses and becomes 167? Any help would be appreciated.

[returnofthefish]

The answer is yes.

Cut and paste "freeman road and levee road, puyallup, WA"

at http://maps.google.com/maps

[tommytitan08]

Thanks for helping out a fellow asian Returnofthefish. I appreciate it very much.

[returnofthefish]

No problem. Good luck and tight lines. Keep those Puyallup reports coming

[Blackmouth]

My question is, how would the typical fiserman who has his regs, but does not visit fishing websites, know about this closure?


see, that's the kinda of crap i'm talking about. For a season such as razor clams, where the regs tell us in advance that we need to check back regularly with agencies for openings, that makes sense. But for a season that appeared to be going VERY strong, and was basically written in stone... it makes no sense to expect fishermen to be up to date on this stuff daily.

keep in mind, while it may be 2010, not everyone spends as much time on the net as we do. How many of the fishermen you saw on the river the last two weeks were over the age of 60? Probably 1/2 for me.

It is STILL every fisherman's responsibility to keep up with rules and regs. It would be RIDICULOUS if WDFW did ZERO in season management after making the rules. Stuff changes, so should the regs.

[leahcim_dahc]

The state is broke, so hiring more wardens even temp. might be a stretch on the buget. Im guessing the wardens out there are working there tails off. They have to patrol lakes, the salt, and rivers. They cant be every where, even thou it would be nice.

Its my understanding that the wdfw was one of the ONLY profitable agencies in WA and for some reason it got budget cuts... yet it's expenditures lead to a net profit for the state...?

What a bunch of crap. And the RedSox suck. :P go back to Boston :cyclops:

Come on Dustin07, you know the words, "Sweet Caroline..."

Having the best team song does not constitute awesomeness. Although I do envy their singing voices and "monsterous' green wall. It puts our Louie Louie to shame.. BUT alas, we have the fancy footwork of an amazing ground crew!

My question is, how would the typical fiserman who has his regs, but does not visit fishing websites, know about this closure?

You can subscribe to the email lists on the WDFW website...linky below.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/lists/index.htm

see, that's the kinda of crap i'm talking about. For a season such as razor clams, where the regs tell us in advance that we need to check back regularly with agencies for openings, that makes sense. But for a season that appeared to be going VERY strong, and was basically written in stone... it makes no sense to expect fishermen to be up to date on this stuff daily.

keep in mind, while it may be 2010, not everyone spends as much time on the net as we do. How many of the fishermen you saw on the river the last two weeks were over the age of 60? Probably 1/2 for me.

It's about personal responsibility...be responsible enough to do your research and be as up to date as you possible can. You think fishing regulations are the only regulations throughout the world that are constantly updated, changed, dropped, or otherwise. No, they are not. Just like anything else in life...if you want to participate, you got to know what is going on at all times. Not just what happened yesterday, but what is happening now, and what may happen tomorrow.

With regards to age...irrelevant.

[Blackmouth]

It's about personal responsibility...be responsible enough to do your research and be as up to date as you possible can. You think fishing regulations are the only regulations throughout the world that are constantly updated, changed, dropped, or otherwise. No, they are not. Just like anything else in life...if you want to participate, you got to know what is going on at all times. Not just what happened yesterday, but what is happening now, and what may happen tomorrow.

With regards to age...irrelevant.

+100

[leahcim_dahc]

And how many of those over 60, like I am, even HAVE a computer? Not to mention there are LOTS of people who don't have computers and don't want one.

What does being over 60 have anything to do with it. If someone doesn't own a computer or want to own a computer, fine that's on them, I really don't care either way, but if they want to keep up to date with any number of topics...go to the local library and use theirs.

Quickly scanning through tribnet.com (News Tribune) the stories are there...I'd be willing to bet it has also appeared in the paper, as well. I'd also be willing to bet that most over the age of 60 know how to read...and read the newspaper on a regular basis.

Using age as an excuse for disregarding personal responsibility is a crutch.

[Amx]

And how many of those over 60, like I am, even HAVE a computer? Not to mention there are LOTS of people who don't have computers and don't want one.

What does being over 60 have anything to do with it. If someone doesn't own a computer or want to own a computer, fine that's on them, I really don't care either way, but if they want to keep up to date with any number of topics...go to the local library and use theirs.

Quickly scanning through tribnet.com (News Tribune) the stories are there...I'd be willing to bet it has also appeared in the paper, as well. I'd also be willing to bet that most over the age of 60 know how to read...and read the newspaper on a regular basis.

Using age as an excuse for disregarding personal responsibility is a crutch.

No it isn't a crutch, that is a REAL stupid coment. Everyone needs to be responsible.

Sure that story was probably there and on tv, but I don't carry a tv on the boat, or a newspaper. Neither is there a library on the lakes around here.

1] because fewer over 60 people have computers than under 60 people.

2] LOTS of us don't read newspapers anymore, too much CRAP in them. And I've NEVER seen ANYTHING in them mention a 'special rule', let alone one that came up minutes or even hours previous to my going fishing back when I did subscribe to 3 different newspapers.

3] SOME of us don't go to the library anymore, and how many new 'special rules' are posted at any library?

4] it has been only recently that a person could call on the phone and learn of a 'special rule'. So I call at 4 am. 'special rule' is instigated at 8 am. How am I to know that if I'm on the lake ? Do I call every 1/2 hour? Hell no! My computer cord doesn't reach to the lake. So you'll just have to come hunt me down I guess.

Good enough for now, I'm going fishing, and not on a river.

[leahcim_dahc]

No it isn't a crutch, that is a REAL stupid coment.

That's just mean....

You're getting all worked up over nothing. All I am saying is exactly what you just stated...everyone needs to be responsible. The problem I have, is those that are not and look everywhere else to place the blame rather than on themselves.

1] because fewer over 60 people have computers than under 60 people.

Yes, I am sure that is a statistic I would buy into. Regardless, in this day and age, there are more than one form of communication available to the masses. Besides, what are you getting worked up about? You logged into this site, so clearly you have access to something attached to the interweb...subscribe to the email alerts, drink water and drive on.

2] LOTS of us don't read newspapers anymore, too much CRAP in them. And I've NEVER seen ANYTHING in them mention a 'special rule', let alone one that came up minutes or even hours previous to my going fishing back when I did subscribe to 3 different newspapers.

I would suspect not...I would naturally assume the news would come out in the papers in the following day(s).

3] SOME of us don't go to the library anymore, and how many new 'special rules' are posted at any library?

No, rule changes would not be posted at your local library, I was merely pointing out if one doesn't own a computer most public libraries nowadays have internet cafe's, or at the very least wifi set up for public use.

4] it has been only recently that a person could call on the phone and learn of a 'special rule'. So I call at 4 am. 'special rule' is instigated at 8 am. How am I to know that if I'm on the lake ? Do I call every 1/2 hour? Hell no! My computer cord doesn't reach to the lake. So you'll just have to come hunt me down I guess.

No you wouldn't know that, and no I wouldn't expect someone to call every half-hour to check on rule changes, either. But that could be part of the planning and preparation part of a fishing trip, couldn't it. You don't go out without checking on the weather conditions...why not check on rule changes before you head out?

Not sure what you mean by "...you'll just have to hunt me down..." part. I don't think I mentioned anything about becoming a "river rule vigilante" or anything.

Good enough for now, I'm going fishing, and not on a river.

...rumor has it you can fish on the Puyallup between the 11th St Bridge in Tacoma upstream to the Freeman Rd./N. Levee Rd. intersection until noon tomorrow...

[tnj8222]

I was talking to a few guys at the puke yesterday who had no idea about the change. I think there will be a lot of warnings

[Anonymous]

Not sure what you mean by "...you'll just have to hunt me down..." part. I don't think I mentioned anything about becoming a "river rule vigilante" or anything.

Just means if they want me to know of a rule change that started after I've left to go fishing, then they can hunt me down and tell me of the change.

Ya, I get 'mean' sometimes when the dog keeps waking me up running back inside and jumping on the bed, so when he went outside AGAIN, I closed the door and went back to bed. Couldn't sleep, so went fishing.

The rest just isn't anything to get worked up over and argue about. It's just that some people don't have and don't want computers, cell phones, tv, so how are they going to hear about any change. Oh well.

[Marc Martyn]

It's just that some people don't have and don't want computers, cell phones, tv, so how are they going to hear about any change. Oh well.

Very simple. Call the WSP. They are open 24/7/365. They work every close with the Game Department and other law enforcement agencies.

[Dustin07]

And how many of those over 60, like I am, even HAVE a computer? Not to mention there are LOTS of people who don't have computers and don't want one.

What does being over 60 have anything to do with it. If someone doesn't own a computer or want to own a computer, fine that's on them, I really don't care either way, but if they want to keep up to date with any number of topics...go to the local library and use theirs.

Quickly scanning through tribnet.com (News Tribune) the stories are there...I'd be willing to bet it has also appeared in the paper, as well. I'd also be willing to bet that most over the age of 60 know how to read...and read the newspaper on a regular basis.

Using age as an excuse for disregarding personal responsibility is a crutch.

I don't know how long YOU'VE been an 'outdoorsman', but many of those people who are over the age of 60 retired before they were ever forced to use a computer at work and probably didn't have much reason to get one for personal use. That point aside...

The rules and regs are rediculously confusing as it is. Yes we should do our best to conform to the rules to best of our understanding, but that doesn't mean the rules are right just because they are 'the rules'. A lot of these guys have been fishing for longer than you've been alive. When a rule suddenly pops up or changes after not being there for a long time its not likely that a lot of these guys will know about it.

I'm sure wdfw will do the right thing and hand out warnings, as the whole purpose of the rule is safety and not a biological/animal count issue. However, it's like the guy in (I think it was..) Mason county who got a ticket for helping his kids set the hook then letting them reel it in. These things are rediculous.


at the end of the day there should be a standard set of ethics for outdoorsman. We should be respectful to the wildlife and environment and abide by our limits. A lot of the other crap is bureaucratic details.

[Dustin07]

It's just that some people don't have and don't want computers, cell phones, tv, so how are they going to hear about any change. Oh well.

Very simple. Call the WSP. They are open 24/7/365. They work every close with the Game Department and other law enforcement agencies.

How does that fix or change anything? That's your solution? Call the WSP every single time you touch the water? Call when you leave the house, and call when you get to the river to make sure nothing has changed? When you go camping, call before you leave, call once you get to the campsite, and call again every day to make sure no rules have changed while you were there?

My point is sudden, on-the-fly, rule changes better be enforced with nothing more than warnings. If individuals are ticketed for rules that pop up in the middle of a popular season at only a couple days notice, I'd be writing my representatives.

[leahcim_dahc]

And how many of those over 60, like I am, even HAVE a computer? Not to mention there are LOTS of people who don't have computers and don't want one.

What does being over 60 have anything to do with it. If someone doesn't own a computer or want to own a computer, fine that's on them, I really don't care either way, but if they want to keep up to date with any number of topics...go to the local library and use theirs.

Quickly scanning through tribnet.com (News Tribune) the stories are there...I'd be willing to bet it has also appeared in the paper, as well. I'd also be willing to bet that most over the age of 60 know how to read...and read the newspaper on a regular basis.

Using age as an excuse for disregarding personal responsibility is a crutch.

I don't know how long YOU'VE been an 'outdoorsman', but many of those people who are over the age of 60 retired before they were ever forced to use a computer at work and probably didn't have much reason to get one for personal use. That point aside...

The rules and regs are rediculously confusing as it is. Yes we should do our best to conform to the rules to best of our understanding, but that doesn't mean the rules are right just because they are 'the rules'. A lot of these guys have been fishing for longer than you've been alive. When a rule suddenly pops up or changes after not being there for a long time its not likely that a lot of these guys will know about it.

I'm sure wdfw will do the right thing and hand out warnings, as the whole purpose of the rule is safety and not a biological/animal count issue. However, it's like the guy in (I think it was..) Mason county who got a ticket for helping his kids set the hook then letting them reel it in. These things are rediculous.


at the end of the day there should be a standard set of ethics for outdoorsman. We should be respectful to the wildlife and environment and abide by our limits. A lot of the other crap is bureaucratic details.

What does the length of time I have been an outdoorsman have anything to do with the topic at hand....?

The fact those 60 years old, or have been fishing longer than I have been alive has nothing to do with what I am talking about! The fact someone 60 years old and over who may or may not have or want or need a computer is irrelevant. Has absolutely nothing to do with anything I am talking about. Ok, 60+ yrs old...don't want a computer...I get it, the use of a computer is a source of information, a media outlet, that is all! I am not bashing, trashing, or bitching about anyone not owning a computer over the age of 60, or under the age of 60 for that matter. I could give a hoot if someone owns one or not. My point with the 60 year old comment was and still is, just because you are 60+, have been fishing longer than I have been alive, blah, blah, blah, whatever is no excuse/justification/reason/whatever for not knowing what the current situation is with regards to regulations or subsequent changes to those regulations.

If that is in fact justification, what the hell is everyone bitching about the snaggers, flossers, or those taking their legal limit and then some...they could simply say, "I'm over sixty and been fishing longer than you have been alive, I didn't know I couldn't keep salmon/steelhead/whatever just because I hooked it in the belly with a 4oz. buzzbomb!!?", and that would make it alright.

My point is this...and I'll break it down dummy style...

...I drive through a town the same I have always done, only to be pulled over by Officer Fife and issued a citation for speeding in a school zone. I look Barney in the eye and tell him,"...the school zone covers a four city block radius around the school...I am five blocks from the school, so how can I be speeding through a school zone!?". Good old Barney looks at me over his Raybans and proceeds to tell me, "Due to safety concerns, the radius of the school zone has been expanded to six city blocks, the notice was disseminated through various media outlets last week...have a nice day.". Time goes by, I go to court to fight the ticket and explain the story the same way I told Officer Fife. The judge then looks at me over his bifocals and proceeds to tell me..."Ignorance is no excuse...pay attention to your surroundings and know where you're at all times...as a driver, it is your responsibility to know where the zone is and what the limits are...".

[leahcim_dahc]

Not sure what you mean by "...you'll just have to hunt me down..." part. I don't think I mentioned anything about becoming a "river rule vigilante" or anything.

Just means if they want me to know of a rule change that started after I've left to go fishing, then they can hunt me down and tell me of the change.

I'm sure there going to be warning people and not just slapping them with citations...but then again, this is Washington, who knows....

Ya, I get 'mean' sometimes when the dog keeps waking me up running back inside and jumping on the bed, so when he went outside AGAIN, I closed the door and went back to bed. Couldn't sleep, so went fishing.

Did you catch anything?

The rest just isn't anything to get worked up over and argue about. It's just that some people don't have and don't want computers, cell phones, tv, so how are they going to hear about any change. Oh well.

I understand that completely, I was not bashing on anyone or any age group in particular because they don't own/want/need a computer, cell phone or television. I think some people in this thread have misinterpreted what my original intent was. Other than websites, newspapers, email notifications, local news channel, hotlines, word of mouth...I don't know.

I suppose for those who have been "fishing longer than I have been alive"...the Pony Express, smoke signals, stacked rocks, hieroglyphs in the river bank, I don't know...

[Amx]

....the Pony Express, smoke signals, stacked rocks, hieroglyphs in the river bank...

Na, all that stuff is too new for me.

Only caught 12" and smaller large and small mouthies. Saw one close to the boat launch that was 2lbs or maybe 3. Up shallow when I was fishing deep, so missed that one. It was swimming from shallow to deep and didn't come back for a few lures I threw at it.

With the water at 70 degrees they sure are active. MUCH better than when the temp was at 82 degrees during that 103 degree hot spell.

Ya, I think I got a little carried away with my early morning's reply. Sorry about that. I think I was a little sensitive about the 'old people' idea. I'd have to re-read it all, and I'm too tired for all that reading just now. Altho I usually do lots of joking around about being old.

[Marc Martyn]

Very simple. Call the WSP. They are open 24/7/365. They work every close with the Game Department and other law enforcement agencies.

How does that fix or change anything? That's your solution? Call the WSP every single time you touch the water? Call when you leave the house, and call when you get to the river to make sure nothing has changed? When you go camping, call before you leave, call once you get to the campsite, and call again every day to make sure no rules have changed while you were there?

My point is sudden, on-the-fly, rule changes better be enforced with nothing more than warnings. If individuals are ticketed for rules that pop up in the middle of a popular season at only a couple days notice, I'd be writing my representatives.

It is your responsibility to know the laws and regulations before you fish. Period. If in doubt, don't fish until you know the law.


Here is an easy way to find your legislator for your district to complain to him:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx