No Gas Motor Allowed Lakes

[hewesfisher]

INTERNAL COMBUSTION MOTORS
PROHIBITED
Means ?shing from a ?oating device equipped
with an internal combustion motor is not
allowed.

Page 29 of the current Washington State Fishing regulations

SELECTIVE GEAR RULES
Only unscented arti?cial ?ies or lures with
one single-point, barbless hook are allowed.
Up to a total of three arti?cial ?ies or lures
containing single-point, barbless hooks
may be used. Bait is prohibited]No one may ?sh[/u] from any ?oating device
equipped with an internal combustion motor,
except where speci?cally allowed under
Special Rules for individual waters. If any ?sh
has swallowed the hook or is hooked in the
gill, eye, or tongue, it should be kept if legal to
do so.

Page 30 of the current Washington State Fishing regulations

As Rattlesnake lake is a selective gear fishery there may be a loophole! Was he just out for a boat ride? It is not listed as a lake with an internal combustion motor restriction. If the guy was fishing, he was in the wrong, so next time get a picture of him in action and phone up the local fuzz. If you are reporting a violation sometimes you need to make a few calls before you get an interested party on the other end of the line. I'm sure you've heard the response, "not my jurisdiction". With the decrease in WDFW enforcement officers try and get hold of the county's authorities in which the body of water resides. They will have jurisdiction and should be itchin' to write a ticket to fill the county's coffers.

No loophole here G-Man, and you "done good" with your post! There is one more definition that closes the alleged loophole, look in the regs under Equipped with a motor where the definition states, "Equipped with a motor - A motor is attached to the floating device, regardless of whether the motor is in the water." If the selective gear fishery rules apply, and there is no amendment in the special rules for the lake, then the person is wrong to fish from a boat equipped with an internal combustion motor, in the water or not.

For those of you that have issues with the rules, you need to speak up the next time WDFW solicits input from us sport fisherman on what changes we'd like to see. Otherwise, well, live with the rules as written.

[Hal]

Thousands of lakes across the country are doing just fine after decades of motor boat use. I think he was more getting on the fact that you had to call the guy out, when in reality, in the long run, he wasnt doing anything wrong. In my opinion, it wasnt called for. Maybe talk to the guy but not getting him kicked off the lake for fishing...

[Mike Carey]

I'll clarify a couple things. It wasn't me only calling him out, it was about a dozen tubers and pontoon anglers. He wasn't kicked off the lake, he left because (I suspect) it gets old listening to people telling you you're doing something illegal. And embarrassing.

He could have been an ADULT and said "thank you, I wasn't aware, I'll get off the lake". Instead he chose to make the situation even worse by yelling and cursing at those that were informing him of the lake rules

He was doing something wrong, and in the short run, that is the "reality". Finally, and this is just my opinion, there is a big difference in water quality and fish quality. But your opinion may differ and I respect that.

[The Quadfather]

[quote="Mike Carey As to booing someone of the lake - there's nothing like peer pressure to make someone wake up and smell the coffee. It's a lot better than keeping your mouth shut and putting up with bores that think ridiculous rules only apply to the other person.


[/quote"]


I like that statement a lot. When you look at the thin placement of WDFW officials,, I think that a little peer pressure can go along ways. I see that as people standing up for their waters. It doesn't mean that you need to get up in someone's face, but just gently let them know that what they are doing doesn't go unseen.:batman:

[swedefish4life1]

Will keep this simple as a box of candy it can be eaten ONE BITE At A TIME.:chef:

Lakes some years ago were picked and voted and checked and tested by many for selective fisheries rules and I supported that move 1000 percent.

It allows a very natural setting and balance for nature and man to use side by side and reduces all the Crap man does and gives the few that want these balances a more Real fishing positive impact in fact many of these bodies where these rules and guidlines are THE drinking waters WE USE AND NEED#-o

Is this to complex to process:-" :batman:

These areas are few in general terms I wish we had more the sounds nature provides will pressing a puffer stick as a trout rises after going after the fly and setting the hook and the reel spinning outward ZZZ ZZZZ ZZZZ is 2nd to none and I am a stone blooded Killer and not just Fish!

I also would vote to pull the plug on sleds in upper holy waters in a New York 2nd they are impacting spawn, fry and crushing the banks and wildlife there is plenty of room to share and if you don't care about mother=earth You are a MORON:cyclopsan these places will ensure a kid a chance if his heart and soul calls for it as he grows= protection is education of balance nothing more nothing less

Plus you want to call the deadman out Bring it I push 420 ponies:-$ and 24x 78 in rivers, oceans and lakes and I never run the Warrior were the game reduces the honor to ground zero or even be there.

Like I said the Swede is not a Greenie FAR FROM IT!
I have had more fish blood on me then 600 men on my body and more ring blood then most the choices I made were poor I might add:-$

God bless these waters god bless and protect them we need them for our own survival and DNA one day what will are group reflexions be if we just reduced these few blessed waters because we could?

I ran 120 cube plus choppers at 120 mph plus through Montana without a helment at times was if fun heck yes was it smart heck NOT!

So were the tough man fights at Sturgie after the run:shaking2: :shaking:

Balances are few I fight them all these few came for good please think, look, listen if not for you a future for kids the rest were loosing daily.

Selective fisheries are a gift open the package with care God bless all who care and God bless all that don't just maybe there process will change and thinking as well.

Tight Lines fish on!
Swede Kill ZONE EARNED

[tnj8222]

Are we all so perfect that we start crying to WDFW even when the most ridiculous rules were broken? Personally I think that rule is one of many rules that are just overkill. Didn't sound like he wast hurting anybody or dumping gallons of oil in that lake. If the guy is taking more than his limit than call him out. If he is dumping garbage on the bank, call them out. But it sounds like this guy was just out fishing minding his own business, put his motor up but that wasn't good enough for those perfect people that never met a rule they didn't like.

I sure hope you drove the speed limit that day. I hate to think of the whistle blower as a HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I'm perfect.

OK, now that we have that out of the way...

The no motor rule is there in part to preserve the water quality. I would hardly call that a ridiculous rule. But if you think it is, then by all means lets have a few dozen motor boats on Rattlesnake with their motors dripping oil and gas residue, and while we are at it, let's allow motors on every other pristine piece of water. Because it's a ridiculous rule. And ridiculous rules should be ignored. Rather than repealed. Because repealing would take EFFORT. And it's much easier to just break a rule and call it ridiculous.

While we are at it, let's use power bait on Rattlesnake. Because it's a ridiculous rule. And why follow a ridiculous rule? And I might as well drive over the speed limit. Because it's ridiculous rule. And I guess, if it's a ridiculous rule then its OK to break it. Because I MUST know more than the people that went through the process of establishing the rule.

As to booing someone of the lake - there's nothing like peer pressure to make someone wake up and smell the coffee. It's a lot better than keeping your mouth shut and putting up with bores that think ridiculous rules only apply to the other person.

i agree. some people get it, some dont.

[BentRod]

To add to what G-man already posted, I went and found this.

From 2009 Fishing regs., Page 30, under Special Rules Instructions at the bottom of the page:

In the Special Rules "motors prohibited"
mean that fishing from a floating device
equipped with a motor is prohibited. "Internal
combustion motors prohibited" means that
fishing from a floating device equipped with
an internal combustion motor is prohibited.
"Equipped with" means the motor is attached
to the floating device, regardless of whether
the motor is in the water.

I had not seen this before, so if I had question before, I do not now.
See, these topics do serve a purpose....I learned a little more about boat registration requirements this afternoon too!
Thanks guys.

[BentRod]

...while I was perusing the regs, I noticed that Pine Lake in King County did not have any restrictions on motors listed. However, it does, in fact, have restrictions in effect. My question is, why isn't it listed in the WDFW regs? (error in the regs?)

[Mike Carey]

I think Pine lake's only restriction is hand-launched boats only. I'm not aware of a motor restriction. Years ago when it was wide open - you should have seen Opening Day. Guys would launch 18 footers at that tiny cutout launch area. It was wild. Fun, too. But I am glad they closed down the trailered boats there. It really changed the Opening Day atmosphere for the better.

There are so many bigger lakes, these small lakes just beg for a quieter experience. Again, my opinion, yours may vary and I respect it.

[Aaron]

...while I was perusing the regs, I noticed that Pine Lake in King County did not have any restrictions on motors listed. However, it does, in fact, have restrictions in effect. My question is, why isn't it listed in the WDFW regs? (error in the regs?)

Emergency rules are put into effect after the printing of the regs. So.. the lesson, is to read the regs, THEN go read the Emergency rules section of the WDFW site to see if there are any last minute things you should know.

[BentRod]

...while I was perusing the regs, I noticed that Pine Lake in King County did not have any restrictions on motors listed. However, it does, in fact, have restrictions in effect. My question is, why isn't it listed in the WDFW regs? (error in the regs?)

Emergency rules are put into effect after the printing of the regs. So.. the lesson, is to read the regs, THEN go read the Emergency rules section of the WDFW site to see if there are any last minute things you should know.

Yeah, I had previously read the Emergency rule changes for Pine, but looked again. Still nothing additional listed.

As per Mike's response, I thought I had seen it posted at the park that no internal-combustion engines were allowed, but I may be remembering it from a different lake. I certainly agree about these lakes being better off without gas motors. If I were a resident on the lake, that is the last thing I'd want to hear at 6am or any other time too...well, maybe not the LAST thing, but you know what I mean. Not to mention that for those us with iddy-biddy boats, wakes from larger boats can get tiring.
I don't have much desire to get onto Sammamish because it's just too big and there's to much wake for my liesurely desires and 12' boat.....now if I had a bigger boat....

[Mike Carey]

Pine used to be so crowded with boats you could walk from one to another. It was unreal. A real party atmosphere, but not anymore. It's still crowded, but the little guy don't feel like they're going to be run over by some 18 footer.

[Joe Heater]

The rule is changing and next year you will be able to fish with two poles so the state doesn’t agree with your theory on 2 poles.

Back to this hoodlum that had his motor attached to his boat.

If you want to raise your hand and tell the teacher that somebody is breaking a law, you probably shouldn't be breaking any yourself. Not just fishing laws, driving laws, noise statures, etc. If you so much cross the center line on the way home do you report yourself? Because believe me, that’s what this was. Somebody crossed the center line. This wasn't some guy out there with a gill net and dynamite. You basically ruined some guys day and for what? Because he wasn't bothering anyone and proposed no threat to you, himself or the environment.

Your own guy that CLARIFIED everything said the rule was put in for safety with waves and noise complaints from the people in the houses. I think he also said that it would be a long shot that any WDFW agent would give him a ticket. An engine leaking oil when it isn't even running isn't near as likely to happen as the guy in a Livingston and trolling motor throwing his cigarette ashes and beer cans in the lake. How about the guy standing up in his boat and peeing in the lake? Shouldn't we be raising our hands on that? And while you angels were booing and calling for him to leave the lake, what about the common courtesy of keeping it down for the folks that could have cared less and were trying to catch fish while all this heckling was going on.

Some get it and some don't. Ya that's me, the guy that don't get it. Are you serious?

Nobody is a saint. A while back my dad told me that Bill Clinton should have been impeached because he lied under oath. I said, "Ya but dad, he lied about sex." He said it didn't matter, lying under oath is serious.

I walked over to his junk drawer and pulled out a Government pen (he retired from the government). I said, "OH MY GOD Dad, you stole from the federal government. It don't matter what, stealing is serious.

Was fishing that bad and you were all so bored you had to complain about that?

I realize I am not gaining any brownie points here with the Administrator and I would by lying if I said I cared. I just think it’s ridiculous to ruin some guys day of fishing for such a silly thing such as this. This is ALMOST as bad as the guys that sit there and heckle and threaten people for keeping legal fish.

I'm out!

[G-Man]

We all have our passions and pet peeves and they differ from person to person. Environmental issues and DUIs push my buttons so you can bet that when I see an infraction involving either one, I'll do something about it. Call me a hypocrite, I don't really care, it's my prerogative. If you are breaking the law, especially if you know you are, why would you be hacked off when you get called out on it? Society tends to work better when we police ourselves especially since as a society we created the rules in the first place. If someone calls the authorities to report an infraction, they should be commended not chided for being a snitch.

[Anonymous]

The rule is changing and next year you will be able to fish with two poles so the state doesn’t agree with your theory on 2 poles.

Back to this hoodlum that had his motor attached to his boat.

If you want to raise your hand and tell the teacher that somebody is breaking a law, you probably shouldn't be breaking any yourself. Not just fishing laws, driving laws, noise statures, etc. If you so much cross the center line on the way home do you report yourself? Because believe me, that’s what this was. Somebody crossed the center line. This wasn't some guy out there with a gill net and dynamite. You basically ruined some guys day and for what? Because he wasn't bothering anyone and proposed no threat to you, himself or the environment.

Your own guy that CLARIFIED everything said the rule was put in for safety with waves and noise complaints from the people in the houses. I think he also said that it would be a long shot that any WDFW agent would give him a ticket. An engine leaking oil when it isn't even running isn't near as likely to happen as the guy in a Livingston and trolling motor throwing his cigarette ashes and beer cans in the lake. How about the guy standing up in his boat and peeing in the lake? Shouldn't we be raising our hands on that? And while you angels were booing and calling for him to leave the lake, what about the common courtesy of keeping it down for the folks that could have cared less and were trying to catch fish while all this heckling was going on.

Some get it and some don't. Ya that's me, the guy that don't get it. Are you serious?

Nobody is a saint. A while back my dad told me that Bill Clinton should have been impeached because he lied under oath. I said, "Ya but dad, he lied about sex." He said it didn't matter, lying under oath is serious.

I walked over to his junk drawer and pulled out a Government pen (he retired from the government). I said, "OH MY GOD Dad, you stole from the federal government. It don't matter what, stealing is serious.

Was fishing that bad and you were all so bored you had to complain about that?

I realize I am not gaining any brownie points here with the Administrator and I would by lying if I said I cared. I just think it’s ridiculous to ruin some guys day of fishing for such a silly thing such as this. This is ALMOST as bad as the guys that sit there and heckle and threaten people for keeping legal fish.

I'm out!

wow. don't even know where to begin. Your method of arguing is curious, to say the least.

First, no one called the guy a hoodlum. So your injecting this word into the debate isn't necessary. I called the guy a bore because of the foul reaction he gave to people asking him to leave the lake and leave descriptions of the offender to that.

Not sure how my havng to be pure as the driven snow has anything to do with this particular incident. Unless you're referring to the old passage "let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Are you saying then that none of us can say a word about anything since none of us are perfect? So when you see someone doing something illegal just keep your mouth shut and mind your own business? I'll let you respond to how that sounds.

We Ruined some guys day? What about his ruining our day? You think we want to see gas motors on Rattlesnake? So ruining one's day only goes one way? Yes, he was bothering me ands every person on the lake that follows the rules.

"My own guy". Sorry, I don't have "guys". How a rule in place is interpreted by one person as to intent has nothing to do with it's validity as a law.

As to your other attempts to misdirect this debate,please, focus on the subject instead of throwing out red herrings.

Nobody is a saint. I agree. But what that has to do with with illegally putting a boat on Rattlesnake, I have no idea.

Here's 10 Brownie Points. Have a nice day.

[Bodofish]

I'm not sure if it still is but Rattlesnake used to be part of the water supply for NB. Pretty good reason not to have any motors on the lake. I'd say we're lucky getting with in a half mile of the place.

[Rich McVey]

To add to what G-man already posted, I went and found this.

From 2009 Fishing regs., Page 30, under Special Rules Instructions at the bottom of the page:

In the Special Rules "motors prohibited"
mean that fishing from a floating device
equipped with a motor is prohibited. "Internal
combustion motors prohibited" means that
fishing from a floating device equipped with
an internal combustion motor is prohibited.
"Equipped with" means the motor is attached
to the floating device, regardless of whether
the motor is in the water.

I had not seen this before, so if I had question before, I do not now.
See, these topics do serve a purpose....I learned a little more about boat registration requirements this afternoon too!
Thanks guys.

Same Here. I thought motor up would be within the intent of the rules. Some lakes that are closed to internal combustion motors are not closed due to water quality issues or water usage. They are closed because the local home owners associations lobbied and had the rules imposed for the residents comfort. In that case, why not motor up?

BUT... As noted in the regs, the deffinition states... (read above) so I would compy with it, whatever the reason for having that lake closed to gas motors.

[trout slayer]

WOW...

[Rob G.]

10 brownie points...LMBO.....can I have some too? Am I a sissy for seeing both sides? Oh, yeah..I can't wait for the 2 pole rule.....I'd love to still fish and cast at the same time.....have fun guys!

[Jsmooth]

:thumright =d> Yes, sometimes rules are stupid. But, its stupid poeple being the reason we need these rules [-x