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Tough lesson...?

Post by leahcim_dahc » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:51 pm

komotv.com wrote:NEWCASTLE -- A black bear and her cubs have been taught a tough lesson after lurking too close to the homes in one neighborhood.

Resident Michal Bialoszewski called the state Department of Fish and Wildlife after seeing the bears come back to his neighborhood time after time.

State officials set up traps to catch the mother bear, using donuts and raw meat as bait. But on Saturday morning, a cub stumbled in.

"At that point, it was yelling super loud. My mom came out, looked, and I guess the mama bear was up on top of the cage," Bialoszewski said.

Neighbors said the mother bear went berserk upon seeing her baby trapped. But when she spotted a person she ran off, breaking a fence in the process.

"I mean, this fence used to be nice and straight. Now, as you can see, it's all bent all over the place," Bialoszewski said.

The broken fence is only the latest addition to the trail of damage the bears have left behind.

About a month ago, they tried to take a chunk out of Bialoszewski's car.

"It was more like teeth marks, like punctures," Bialoszewski said.

Wildlife officials tranquilized the captured cub and hauled the youngster to a nearby cage. Using the cub as bait, they set another trap in hopes of catching the mother.

Several hours later, the mother came back for the cub and took the bait. By late Saturday night, her second cub was also caught.

Before they were released into the wild, wildlife officials taught them an important lesson. The plan was to scare the bears back into the wild, hopefully for good.

"Then we start hitting them with bean bags and rubber bullets. The dog will still be barking," said Bruce Richard with the Department of Fish and Wildlife. "So this is a fairly traumatic deal, hopefully enough where they are going to learn."


Richards said the lesson is especially important for the cubs.

"I'm not so much concerned about the bear as (I am about) coming in and teaching the cubs some bad stuff," he said.

After each of the bears was weighed and tagged to be tracked later, the family was released near the mountains on Sunday. They'll end up far away from Bialoszewski's home and deep in the mountains, where they'll have to make a new home for themselves.

"If she finds a good place to hibernate, their chance is excellent," Richards said.

Bialoszewski said he had been complaining about the bears to wildlife officials for months.

But Richards said the bears aren't the only ones at fault. He said residents need to keep bears from having a reason to come so near the homes by taking certain measures, like handling trash properly.

"We're going to try to change behavior, and it isn't just going to be with the bear. It's going to be with people who live here," Richards said.
Seems more like torture to me...I guess they [WDFW] know what they are doing...maybe. :scratch:

If I were to do that...I would most assuredly be brought up on criminal charges...or at least PETA would be be protesting outside my home. I think I'll try that next time the neighbor's dog takes a dookie in my yard...put him in a cage...beat the hell out of it with a baseball bat, and claim I am just teaching it a tough lesson in who's yard it can pooh in. Yeah, right...

I also think...since the "bears aren't the only ones at fault" the Bialoszewski's should be put in their car and hit with beanbags and rubber bullets, while the trash man is yelling at them to put their trash away where wild animals can't get to it. [-x


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Post by shawn » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:40 pm

Dude I totaly agree with you.You can't blame a bear for being a bear.You know what I mean.
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RE:Tough lesson...?

Post by Mike Carey » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:45 pm

Watched the movie Grizzly Man the other day. Talk about man and bear, definately a movie to see.
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RE:Tough lesson...?

Post by leahcim_dahc » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:10 pm

shawn wrote:...
I am not a tree hugger or some animal rights activist by any stretch of the imagination...but I get rather frustrated when people move into the animals homes and expect them not to be a problem. Then when there is an issue...it's like they can't believe it could ever happen to them, and it's the animals fault. Some people just don't realize, sometimes...we are lower on the food chain.

If there are nuisance animals that keep causing problems...yeah, relocate them so they can get back to their own lives...but I don't think "teaching them a tough lesson" is exactly the greatest of ideas. Sure...they might avoid human contact for the rest of their lives...but, I honestly don't think anyone really knows an animals mind and knows how that animal is going to react after receiving that type of treatment.

When I first read the story...all I could picture was a bunch of wildlife guys, shirts untucked, each with a half empty bottle of Old Crow whiskey, poking sticks and laughing at the bears. I am sure this isn't even remotely close to what happened, but still leaves quite a bit to the imagination.

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I haven't seen that movie...heard quite a bit about, just haven't watched it yet.


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RE:Tough lesson...?

Post by Marc Martyn » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:10 am

Pity the next poor human being that gets near that mother bear with her cubs.

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Post by littleriver » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:26 pm

In 1995 (or something like that) the animal rights activists got a referendum passed that made it illegal to hunt with dogs in this state.

about 4 years later they passed a referendum making it illegal to use traps...

Using dogs is the most effective method for hunting cougar and bear and since the "dog ban" our cougar and bear populations have increased dramatically.

Good wildlife management involves maintaining healthy populations of the various species.


Often that means harvesting individual animals to maintain a healthy balance. Banning dogs and traps is simply bad management.

WDFW is doing it's best to keep any of our kids from being eaten by a hungry bear or cougar. You'll see the alerts from time to time. When bear and/or cougar are spotted near populated areas they will send in bait and shoot specialists or allow hunters to participate in special seasons.



This problem is going to get a lot worse.

California banned all hunting for cougar and bear in th 1970s and their populations are now very high and very troublesome. First time hikers in the Sierra Nevadas must learn what to do when they encounter a cougar or a bear. Those encounters are highly likely. I'm going to do some hiking in that area in a few weeks and I've been coming up to speed on the environment.


The human death toll from cougar and bear attacks in California has been lower than I might have predicted over the last couple of decades but there have been many fatalities. British Columbia, like california, has also been very "progressive" in regard to protecting these species and right now, today, Vancouver island has the highest annual death toll from cougar attacks in the world.
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RE:Tough lesson...?

Post by A9 » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:45 pm

littleriver wrote: eaten by a hungry bear or cougar.
I've seen both in real life. Not in a zoo. Walking back to my friends cabin in Priest Lake one night, and 40 feet up in the trees is a cougar spotting us down. Luckily we were already on their porch when we saw it...

Also seen a bear with 2 cubs there another night...They managed to make a chore for us in the morning (picking up the garbage) and we had it very well secured, or so we thought. Paw prints all around the house...Saw them from a bedroom window at night.

I couldn't imagine being on a trail and making a corner and coming face to face with either of the two....
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Post by leahcim_dahc » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:51 pm

littleriver wrote:I'm going to do some hiking in that area in a few weeks and I've been coming up to speed on the environment.
Just remember to watch your six...we're all fair game when we enter their world. It always makes me nervous when I am fishing at night by myself up in the woods...what kind of animal is going to stalk me for a tasty morsel. Chances are they probably won't mess with me...but one never knows. It's all fun and games, until you have a 100 pound cat hanging off your back...or a family of black bears has you cornered throwing beanbags and rubber bullets at you. :clown:
littleriver wrote:Often that means harvesting individual animals to maintain a healthy balance.
Don't get me wrong...I am not against hunting this species...or any for that matter. I just consider the type of treatment the bears received abuse...nothing more, nothing less. It just seemed...well, retarded to cage an animal and beat the hell out of them with beanbags and rubber bullets in hopes of them avoiding human contact for the rest of their lives. Then to toss them up in the mountains to try and find a new home before winter sets in.

I thought at one point in time there was a sanctuary the WDFW had where they sent nuisance bears...I could be wrong, too.


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Post by leahcim_dahc » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:56 pm

Sam Kafelafish wrote:Walking back to my friends cabin in Priest Lake one night, and 40 feet up in the trees is a cougar spotting us down. Luckily we were already on their porch when we saw it...
That's enough to make you crap yourself. Also how long was it watching you before you spotted it...probably for sometime. :shaking:

Had a guy I used to work with out hunting...been walking for a while, stopped to take a break, turned around and had a cougar about 20 feet standing right behind him. He lowered his rifle and popped off a round, ended up hitting it in the lower jaw and unhinged its head from the torso...messy.


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Post by littleriver » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:19 pm

Actually, I don't really have any real fear of these animals. My concern is for others. I've seen live cougar in the wild 3 times and been close to bear on many, many occasions. I even had a black bear step on me as I was sleeping in the wild once. I've been close to wolves and listened to them howl a few hundred yards away as I tried to sleep in the middle of nowhere (up in northern British Columbia, the Northwest Territories, and northern Minnesota).

Wild animals have a natural fear of man and that works in our favor when we are out in the kinds of places where we go for recreation. Problem comes when they lose that natural fear (i.e. when the housing development or the jogging route ends up being located in the territory of a healthy cougar or bear). When that happens they start to become familiar with us and that's when they become dangerous.

I think WDFW has a good program for preventing problems. They seem to respond very quickly when sightings are reported. Hopefully this diligence will prevent a tragedy.
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Post by littleriver » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:24 pm

Ooops.. I may have been a bit too cocky in my last post.


I went fishing in alaska back in the early ninties and encountered some very large brown bears. Even though these animals made no aggressive moves toward me, they scared the crap out of me and they are the reason I have never returned to those particular happy fishing grounds.
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Post by leahcim_dahc » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:48 pm

I haven't ran into any cougar or bears, yet. Back home the only wildlife I was really worried about was the occasional pissed of bull when I jumped a fence to get to a fishing hole.

I kinda like seeing the varying animals in this state, especially when I see them out in the woods doing what it is they do.

I'm not really fearful of the animals per se...but fearful of being eaten. Just not what I would consider much fun.

I must say anytime I have seen reports of an animal in a neighborhood...it isn't long before I see the WDFW milling about. It was maybe a year ago, we had a black bear treed in our neighborhood. Here's a bear up a tree, and ten or twelve people standing around the bottom looking at it. Someone called one of their "animal rescue" friends to come over...all they ended up doing was shake the tree a bit, and proclaim, "It will come down when it's ready!"...then left.

Two days later I went outside to smoke a cigarette, and my neighbor was all in a dither. He said the bear came over to my yard...sat down at the kids' picnic table, licked it a couple times...then wandered over to my other neighbor and watched him put shingles on his shed for a while. Eventually, the bear left and was caught by the WDFW somewhere on Meridian Ave. looking at cars as they drove by.

What made me more nervous than the bear, was my neighbor running around my yard with a pistol, like he was SF or something.


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leahcim_dahc wrote:Two days later I went outside to smoke a cigarette, and my neighbor was all in a dither. He said the bear came over to my yard...sat down at the kids' picnic table, licked it a couple times...then wandered over to my other neighbor and watched him put shingles on his shed for a while. Eventually, the bear left and was caught by the WDFW somewhere on Meridian Ave. looking at cars as they drove by.
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Was this in the news at all?
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Post by bassackwards » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:39 pm

Bears...cougars....etc. all part of being out in the wilderness.

I don't support shooting them with bean bags and rubber pellets just for being bears....I feel like walking into that guys HOUSE and shooting him with a bean bag as he's sitting there with his kids....good grief!!!!

I'm far from a "tree hugger" myself....however....you have to respect nature and you have to respect and EDUCATE yourself BEFORE you go out and play in the woods kids.

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I agree with you Marc...I'd hate to be the poor soul that stubbles on that Momma bear the next time, she's gonna be PISSED!!!!!
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Post by leahcim_dahc » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:39 pm

Toni wrote:Was this in the news at all?
Not sure...I know it was about the same time there seemed to be quite a few bears coming into a couple other cities, so time frame may be off a bit.


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leahcim_dahc wrote:
Sam Kafelafish wrote:Walking back to my friends cabin in Priest Lake one night, and 40 feet up in the trees is a cougar spotting us down. Luckily we were already on their porch when we saw it...
That's enough to make you crap yourself. Also how long was it watching you before you spotted it...probably for sometime. :shaking:

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I've seen them (bears and cougars at the lake) before there and knew they were around and part of the wilderness out there. Nothing really scared me that much about it. It was just cool to look up a tree and see a big cougar clinging on looking down at us. The tree was atleast 75 feet away, so we were fine...We were walking with a few big dogs, so we were fine. They (dogs) sleep out on the porch at night and would never go stray, and every few nights you'd wake up to them barking at a bear or cougar and the bear/cougar would take off and the barking ceased.
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Post by leahcim_dahc » Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:29 am

Ah...ok, so it wasn't a complete surprise then. I think I would be alright during daylight when I can see them, but at night when they're a little harder to see...that's when things can get a little dicey.

Gonna have to start carrying my K-bar when I go out...or take the wife's miniature schnauzer, so they'll have something to choke on as I make my getaway! :clown:


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leahcim_dahc wrote:Ah...ok, so it wasn't a complete surprise then. I think I would be alright during daylight when I can see them, but at night when they're a little harder to see...that's when things can get a little dicey.
It was pretty dark. 11:30pm. When you looked up at first glance you could see its eyes. When you looked closer you could tell it had the outline of a cougar. A flashlight confirmed it..
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This one is a picture of a big beaver lake triploid I caught a few winters ago...Had to do it cause that lake gets stocked with more triploids this week so I decided to do it to celebrate the stocking I guess
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