Very informative thread over there. Thanks for that link!!BARCHASER wrote:I've been keeping my eye on Piscatorial Pursuits.
http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/foru ... 674/7.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Those guys are really informed on the NOF news, the tribes and all the rest. If we do take some action, the leaders and organization will come from Puget Sound Anglers, CCA and others like that and the news will prob be posted on PP.
Its just a dream but the one I like is legalize Casino gambling, the Indians will find out how much that hurts, they deserve it. As far as demonstrations, a parade of trailered boats going down the freeway to Olympia would get some media attention. But that takes a lot of organizing and leadership and I haven't heard of anything like that coming.
Keep an eye on PP for news.
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Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
I love the idea of a parade of boats from Everett to Olympia. With all the other traffic BS happening in Seattle I think that would be an eye opener.BARCHASER wrote:I've been keeping my eye on Piscatorial Pursuits.
http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/foru ... 674/7.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Those guys are really informed on the NOF news, the tribes and all the rest. If we do take some action, the leaders and organization will come from Puget Sound Anglers, CCA and others like that and the news will prob be posted on PP.
Its just a dream but the one I like is legalize Casino gambling, the Indians will find out how much that hurts, they deserve it. As far as demonstrations, a parade of trailered boats going down the freeway to Olympia would get some media attention. But that takes a lot of organizing and leadership and I haven't heard of anything like that coming.
Keep an eye on PP for news.
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Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
Did you follow the link I provided and send communications to your elected officials?Larry3215 wrote:Sounds like it. But no river seasons for us.
Time to start writing our bought and paid for representatives and NOAA.
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Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
I did send them an email. I've sent out a lot of emails, maybe it will help.
I got this email from a buddy who lives in Oregon City and fishes the Wiliy and the C regularly. He went over to CQ with me last week mostly because the Spring run down there is not looking good. This is copy of part of an email from a guide friend of his. Guess we aren't the only ones that may have a lousy run this year. Maybe the warm water blob is having a bad effect on spring Chinooks too.
Willamette Valley - Spring Chinook passage at Bonneville is dismal. Peak passage is supposed to happen during the first week of May and if that's when the peak happens this year, it's likely to be a bust of a run. Keep your fingers crossed, a lot is at stake.
Spring Chinook fishing is slow on the lower Willamette although catch-and-release sturgeon fishing remains good. There has been reports of better action at Oregon City but with the sea lions awaiting you to hook up, anglers are becoming quickly discouraged. A really good day is 2 or 3 fish, and we're in peak season. Can you say mis-prediction?
McKenzie fly fishers may expect good and improving water conditions over the coming weekend with fair to good results for trout. Although the Santiam system will be gradually dropping over the coming week, there are too few fish in the system to expect great results here.
I got this email from a buddy who lives in Oregon City and fishes the Wiliy and the C regularly. He went over to CQ with me last week mostly because the Spring run down there is not looking good. This is copy of part of an email from a guide friend of his. Guess we aren't the only ones that may have a lousy run this year. Maybe the warm water blob is having a bad effect on spring Chinooks too.
Willamette Valley - Spring Chinook passage at Bonneville is dismal. Peak passage is supposed to happen during the first week of May and if that's when the peak happens this year, it's likely to be a bust of a run. Keep your fingers crossed, a lot is at stake.
Spring Chinook fishing is slow on the lower Willamette although catch-and-release sturgeon fishing remains good. There has been reports of better action at Oregon City but with the sea lions awaiting you to hook up, anglers are becoming quickly discouraged. A really good day is 2 or 3 fish, and we're in peak season. Can you say mis-prediction?
McKenzie fly fishers may expect good and improving water conditions over the coming weekend with fair to good results for trout. Although the Santiam system will be gradually dropping over the coming week, there are too few fish in the system to expect great results here.
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Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
This is the passage graph for Columbia salmon runs. You have to mess around with the graph some. Click on Bonneville dam icon and then click on Spring Chinook. The red line is this year, blue line last year and black line 10 yr ave. As you can see this year is awful! If the Springers dont recover and it is getting late now, the Columbia run is a bust. That doesn't say much for the potential of our PS Chinook run this summer. Kind of looks like ocean conditions for Chinooks is also bad, not just Coho. I certainly don't care much for the tribes but kind of looks like a shutdown may be justified if this is a predictor of our PS runs.
http://www.fpc.org/web/apps/adultsalmon ... sgraph.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.fpc.org/web/apps/adultsalmon ... sgraph.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
I've no problem with a shut down but I have a problem with the so called stewards of wildlife netting when everyone else has to stop.BARCHASER wrote:This is the passage graph for Columbia salmon runs. You have to mess around with the graph some. Click on Bonneville dam icon and then click on Spring Chinook. The red line is this year, blue line last year and black line 10 yr ave. As you can see this year is awful! If the Springers dont recover and it is getting late now, the Columbia run is a bust. That doesn't say much for the potential of our PS Chinook run this summer. Kind of looks like ocean conditions for Chinooks is also bad, not just Coho. I certainly don't care much for the tribes but kind of looks like a shutdown may be justified if this is a predictor of our PS runs.
http://www.fpc.org/web/apps/adultsalmon ... sgraph.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
No - Ive been too busy bitching about it to do anything about it - yet.Bodofish wrote:Did you follow the link I provided and send communications to your elected officials?Larry3215 wrote:Sounds like it. But no river seasons for us.
Time to start writing our bought and paid for representatives and NOAA.
Also, Ive been trying to decide how to word things. If you just yell, they dont even read it. You might even get put on a "list" if you're too threatening. Im hoping to make some sort of sense but I havent got it all straight in my own head yet.
Part of that is what to ask FOR??
Im really starting to think we should shut it ALL down. Especially after reading about the poor Columbia returns so far this year. This was supposed to be a GREAT return this year.
Do we really want to fight for any kind of salmon season? We have been "managing" poor returns for decades and things just keep getting worse and worse.
Soon - I promise - if I can make up my mind....
Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
This just in:
WDFW NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
April 29, 2016
Contacts: Larry Phillips, (360) 870-1889;
Ron Warren, (360) 902-2799
Several Puget Sound-area marine, freshwater fisheries to close May 1
OLYMPIA – Five lakes and the lower sections of most rivers that flow into Puget Sound will close to all fishing beginning Sunday, May 1, when salmon and steelhead fishing also closes in the Sound.
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) officials said today they are closing state fisheries in waters where salmon migrate while they work to secure the federal permit required to hold salmon fisheries in Puget Sound. Typically, the state and tribes jointly obtain the federal permit for the Sound, where some fish stocks are protected under the federal Endangered Species Act. The current permit expires April 30.
However, many fishing opportunities remain available in and around Puget Sound. WDFW has posted a list of rivers and sections of rivers that are open to fishing on its webpage at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/pugetsound_salmon_update" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. That page also has a list of Puget Sound area lakes that are closed to all fishing.
“Since we didn’t reach an agreement with treaty tribal co-managers on this year’s Puget Sound salmon fisheries, we have to close fishing in areas where we know salmon will be,” said Ron Warren, head of WDFW’s Fish Program.
For the next few months, those areas include several Puget Sound-region lakes and the lower reaches of streams where salmon smolts will travel on their way to the Sound.
Lakes that will close May 1 to all fishing include Lake Washington and Lake Sammamish (King County), Monte Cristo Lake (Snohomish County), Lake Cushman (Mason County), and Barney Lake (Skagit County).
Today’s action also applies to Puget Sound-area rivers that typically open to fishing in early June, though fishery managers will be evaluating those rivers to determine whether any can open on schedule.
All non-tribal commercial and recreational Puget Sound salmon and steelhead fisheries, including those in Marine Area 13 and year-round fishing piers around Puget Sound, will close May 1 to salmon and steelhead fishing until further notice. More detailed information about marine area closures can be found online at https://fortress.wa.gov/dfw/erules/efishrules/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
The department is working with federal authorities and doing everything possible to re-open Puget Sound marine and freshwater fisheries, Warren said.
“We regret having to close these fisheries,” Warren said. “We know this is a hardship on many communities around Puget Sound and disappoints many anglers.”
In the meantime, Warren urged anglers to consider trying new fishing waters, emphasizing that most Puget Sound area lowland lakes remain open to fishing.
Also, he said recreational fisheries in Puget Sound marine areas that are not affected by the closures include bottomfish, such as lingcod, Pacific cod and cabezon, as well as sea-run cutthroat trout and halibut. These fisheries are covered under a separate permit and are open as scheduled. Anglers should check the 2015-16 Washington Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet, available online at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, for details.
Salmon fishing will continue as scheduled in the Columbia River and Washington’s ocean waters and north coastal rivers. Information on those fisheries can be found on WDFW’s webpage at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/northfalcon/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
WDFW NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
600 Capitol Way North, Olympia, WA 98501-1091
http://wdfw.wa.gov/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
April 29, 2016
Contacts: Larry Phillips, (360) 870-1889;
Ron Warren, (360) 902-2799
Several Puget Sound-area marine, freshwater fisheries to close May 1
OLYMPIA – Five lakes and the lower sections of most rivers that flow into Puget Sound will close to all fishing beginning Sunday, May 1, when salmon and steelhead fishing also closes in the Sound.
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) officials said today they are closing state fisheries in waters where salmon migrate while they work to secure the federal permit required to hold salmon fisheries in Puget Sound. Typically, the state and tribes jointly obtain the federal permit for the Sound, where some fish stocks are protected under the federal Endangered Species Act. The current permit expires April 30.
However, many fishing opportunities remain available in and around Puget Sound. WDFW has posted a list of rivers and sections of rivers that are open to fishing on its webpage at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/pugetsound_salmon_update" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. That page also has a list of Puget Sound area lakes that are closed to all fishing.
“Since we didn’t reach an agreement with treaty tribal co-managers on this year’s Puget Sound salmon fisheries, we have to close fishing in areas where we know salmon will be,” said Ron Warren, head of WDFW’s Fish Program.
For the next few months, those areas include several Puget Sound-region lakes and the lower reaches of streams where salmon smolts will travel on their way to the Sound.
Lakes that will close May 1 to all fishing include Lake Washington and Lake Sammamish (King County), Monte Cristo Lake (Snohomish County), Lake Cushman (Mason County), and Barney Lake (Skagit County).
Today’s action also applies to Puget Sound-area rivers that typically open to fishing in early June, though fishery managers will be evaluating those rivers to determine whether any can open on schedule.
All non-tribal commercial and recreational Puget Sound salmon and steelhead fisheries, including those in Marine Area 13 and year-round fishing piers around Puget Sound, will close May 1 to salmon and steelhead fishing until further notice. More detailed information about marine area closures can be found online at https://fortress.wa.gov/dfw/erules/efishrules/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
The department is working with federal authorities and doing everything possible to re-open Puget Sound marine and freshwater fisheries, Warren said.
“We regret having to close these fisheries,” Warren said. “We know this is a hardship on many communities around Puget Sound and disappoints many anglers.”
In the meantime, Warren urged anglers to consider trying new fishing waters, emphasizing that most Puget Sound area lowland lakes remain open to fishing.
Also, he said recreational fisheries in Puget Sound marine areas that are not affected by the closures include bottomfish, such as lingcod, Pacific cod and cabezon, as well as sea-run cutthroat trout and halibut. These fisheries are covered under a separate permit and are open as scheduled. Anglers should check the 2015-16 Washington Sport Fishing Rules pamphlet, available online at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/regulations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, for details.
Salmon fishing will continue as scheduled in the Columbia River and Washington’s ocean waters and north coastal rivers. Information on those fisheries can be found on WDFW’s webpage at http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/northfalcon/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
Bloody hell. Well that is just bollocks.
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Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
Well, the flood gates are open for the forums to discuss..
Salmon, yeah/whatever.
But!.... Just how in the heck did you guys "Interpret" that comment about Lake WA. Closing to "All" fishing??!!
Say what???
Comments..?
Salmon, yeah/whatever.
But!.... Just how in the heck did you guys "Interpret" that comment about Lake WA. Closing to "All" fishing??!!
Say what???
Comments..?
Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
ive never fished for salmon on lake wa or sam did well for trout which is what I target I'm bummed they closing them down to all fishing.
Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
You can help by sending an email to every one involved in this from the Governor to NOAA and all your senators and representatives. Please go to the Puget Sound Anglers site at the link below and follow the simple instructions. They will automatically generate and send an email to all these people for you.
Thank you for supporting our effort. We appreciate your interest and hope that you will consider helping us again in the future.
You have communicated with the following people:
Senator Patty Murray (email)
Senator Maria Cantwell (email)
Representative Derek Kilmer (email)
Governor Jay Inslee (email)
Regional Administrator Will Stelle (email)
Assistant Regional Admini Bob Turner (email)
It just takes a couple of minutes and will help notify all the political idiots involved and let them know that we are concerned and want action taken.
https://www.votervoice.net/PSA/campaigns/46262/respond" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thank you for supporting our effort. We appreciate your interest and hope that you will consider helping us again in the future.
You have communicated with the following people:
Senator Patty Murray (email)
Senator Maria Cantwell (email)
Representative Derek Kilmer (email)
Governor Jay Inslee (email)
Regional Administrator Will Stelle (email)
Assistant Regional Admini Bob Turner (email)
It just takes a couple of minutes and will help notify all the political idiots involved and let them know that we are concerned and want action taken.
https://www.votervoice.net/PSA/campaigns/46262/respond" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
Very good! I see you're finally getting around to what I suggested on the 26th. A little slow the party but glad you made it.Larry3215 wrote:You can help by sending an email to every one involved in this from the Governor to NOAA and all your senators and representatives. Please go to the Puget Sound Anglers site at the link below and follow the simple instructions. They will automatically generate and send an email to all these people for you.
Thank you for supporting our effort. We appreciate your interest and hope that you will consider helping us again in the future.
You have communicated with the following people:
Senator Patty Murray (email)
Senator Maria Cantwell (email)
Representative Derek Kilmer (email)
Governor Jay Inslee (email)
Regional Administrator Will Stelle (email)
Assistant Regional Admini Bob Turner (email)
It just takes a couple of minutes and will help notify all the political idiots involved and let them know that we are concerned and want action taken.
https://www.votervoice.net/PSA/campaigns/46262/respond" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
Yeah, like I said, I was debating whether to go along with the crowd and ask for help keeping some fisheries open or to ask for a total closure - especially of all netting.
Looks like I would have been all alone on asking for a total closure, plus its probably hopeless to try to get the tribes to stop. No point in it if they keep netting.
So I am joining the herd stampeding all in the same direction..... I hope. We need to make this a herd or nothing will change.
So anyone who hasnt clicked on those links - please do so.
Looks like I would have been all alone on asking for a total closure, plus its probably hopeless to try to get the tribes to stop. No point in it if they keep netting.
So I am joining the herd stampeding all in the same direction..... I hope. We need to make this a herd or nothing will change.
So anyone who hasnt clicked on those links - please do so.
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To: Congressmen D. Heck
Message Subject: Time to review fisheries co-management practices
Message Text:
Congressmen Heck, it is time (actually over due) to take a hard look at the co-management practice of our fisheries resource. The current disaster we are experience is a culmination of back room deals, appeasement and poor leadership in our WDFW. It is time for a congressional investigation into the practices of co-management which has lead to a complete deterioration of our natural resource. Have you received any contributions or other considerations from any tribal affiliations???
Message Subject: Time to review fisheries co-management practices
Message Text:
Congressmen Heck, it is time (actually over due) to take a hard look at the co-management practice of our fisheries resource. The current disaster we are experience is a culmination of back room deals, appeasement and poor leadership in our WDFW. It is time for a congressional investigation into the practices of co-management which has lead to a complete deterioration of our natural resource. Have you received any contributions or other considerations from any tribal affiliations???
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Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
Im spreading the word.... pass it along.....
PSA Protest Rally!
Just got this from the PSA guys....
We need you to support our RALLY FOR FISHERIES EQUALITY this Thursday, May 5, in Lacey starting at 11:30AM! We will be meeting at NOAA's office, located at 510 Desmond Drive SE in Lacey.
Rally for Fisheries Equity and Fairness
This year's salmon season setting process fell apart when WDFW and the Puget Sound treaty tribes failed to reach agreement. As a result, we were told that neither group would be allowed to fish until either an agreement was in place or a federal permit was issued by NOAA. To date, neither of those have happened and yet the treaty tribes are commencing commercial gillnet fisheries that impact endangered salmon populations.
At the same time, all Puget Sound recreational salmon fisheries - including fisheries in Lake Washington and Lake Sammamish - are shut down with no sign that federal officials plan to take action. This is a slap in the face to the nearly quarter million recreational anglers who make Puget Sound sport fisheries a $100+ million industry!It is uncertain if NOAA will allow any non-tribal fisheries this year. We need you to help us put pressure on NOAA to approve non-tribal fisheries and restore balance to Puget Sound salmon management.
This is your chance to show up and let our federal fisheries managers know how you feel. We need your help to:
Restore fairness and equality in harvest sharing - consistent with the Boldt Decision;
Provide transparency to a broken co-management process;
Hold our federal government accountable for properly managing our fisheries;
Continue our role as leaders in common sense conservation of our marine resources.
Please show up and let your voice be heard! Make sure any signs or statements are positive and respectful - key messages include fairness, transparency, and cooperation - hallmarks of the rule of law and co-management.
What: RALLY FOR FISHERIES EQUALITY
When: Thursday, May 5, at 11:30 AM
Where: NOAA's Lacey office (510 Desmond Dr SE)
PSA, CCA, Fish NW, NMTA, Everett Salmon Steelhead, Snohomish Sportsman Club, Outdoor Line a coalition of recreational anglers sent a joint letter to Governor Inslee and our Congressional delegation urging them to engage in the issue.
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PSA Protest Rally!
Just got this from the PSA guys....
We need you to support our RALLY FOR FISHERIES EQUALITY this Thursday, May 5, in Lacey starting at 11:30AM! We will be meeting at NOAA's office, located at 510 Desmond Drive SE in Lacey.
Rally for Fisheries Equity and Fairness
This year's salmon season setting process fell apart when WDFW and the Puget Sound treaty tribes failed to reach agreement. As a result, we were told that neither group would be allowed to fish until either an agreement was in place or a federal permit was issued by NOAA. To date, neither of those have happened and yet the treaty tribes are commencing commercial gillnet fisheries that impact endangered salmon populations.
At the same time, all Puget Sound recreational salmon fisheries - including fisheries in Lake Washington and Lake Sammamish - are shut down with no sign that federal officials plan to take action. This is a slap in the face to the nearly quarter million recreational anglers who make Puget Sound sport fisheries a $100+ million industry!It is uncertain if NOAA will allow any non-tribal fisheries this year. We need you to help us put pressure on NOAA to approve non-tribal fisheries and restore balance to Puget Sound salmon management.
This is your chance to show up and let our federal fisheries managers know how you feel. We need your help to:
Restore fairness and equality in harvest sharing - consistent with the Boldt Decision;
Provide transparency to a broken co-management process;
Hold our federal government accountable for properly managing our fisheries;
Continue our role as leaders in common sense conservation of our marine resources.
Please show up and let your voice be heard! Make sure any signs or statements are positive and respectful - key messages include fairness, transparency, and cooperation - hallmarks of the rule of law and co-management.
What: RALLY FOR FISHERIES EQUALITY
When: Thursday, May 5, at 11:30 AM
Where: NOAA's Lacey office (510 Desmond Dr SE)
PSA, CCA, Fish NW, NMTA, Everett Salmon Steelhead, Snohomish Sportsman Club, Outdoor Line a coalition of recreational anglers sent a joint letter to Governor Inslee and our Congressional delegation urging them to engage in the issue.
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Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
Whatever happened to just standing up for what you believe in? Why the herd mentality? I mean look how good thats doing for our presidential elections, every election we get stuck choosing between bad or worse , including this one, because of the herd mentality. It clearly doesnt work. And your not alone about wanting total closure. Protesting salmon closures is the wrong choice.Larry3215 wrote:Yeah, like I said, I was debating whether to go along with the crowd and ask for help keeping some fisheries open or to ask for a total closure - especially of all netting.
Looks like I would have been all alone on asking for a total closure, plus its probably hopeless to try to get the tribes to stop. No point in it if they keep netting.
So I am joining the herd stampeding all in the same direction..... I hope. We need to make this a herd or nothing will change.
So anyone who hasnt clicked on those links - please do so.
hi my name is john, and I'm a fishing addict.
Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
Maybe we should protest the gill netting that is happening, this is from Seattle Times yesterday. I am for a total closure if that is what it takes to get some reasoning in this process, but one side cannot be closed out while the other nets!
"The 25 boat Swinomish Tribal gill-net chinook salmon fishery begins on Wednesday (May 4) at 8 a.m. through Friday (May 6) at 8 a.m. with other dates planned on May 9-11 and May 16-18."
So they get to gill net and we cannot fish on any water that may eventually enter the sound, smells fishy to me.
"The 25 boat Swinomish Tribal gill-net chinook salmon fishery begins on Wednesday (May 4) at 8 a.m. through Friday (May 6) at 8 a.m. with other dates planned on May 9-11 and May 16-18."
So they get to gill net and we cannot fish on any water that may eventually enter the sound, smells fishy to me.
Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
Agreed thats the most important thing that needs to happen. Gill nets need to be banned by all parties, commercial and native fishers. all salmon fisheries should close to all parties.4n6fisher wrote:Maybe we should protest the gill netting that is happening, this is from Seattle Times yesterday. I am for a total closure if that is what it takes to get some reasoning in this process, but one side cannot be closed out while the other nets!
"The 25 boat Swinomish Tribal gill-net chinook salmon fishery begins on Wednesday (May 4) at 8 a.m. through Friday (May 6) at 8 a.m. with other dates planned on May 9-11 and May 16-18."
So they get to gill net and we cannot fish on any water that may eventually enter the sound, smells fishy to me.
hi my name is john, and I'm a fishing addict.
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Re: No salmon fishing in PUget Sound?
Ban the gillnets, that will never happen. The tribes are a powerful special interest group that has never lost. They wont quit netting. They'll have nets out while we are on the beach. The best we can do is try to have some token fisheries to at least let everyone know we are still alive.
Our current Coho problem, maybe Chinooks too, is due to poor ocean conditions, warm water blob, El Nino etc, This has devastated krill which is the bottom of the food chain. I knew this was coming last Fall when our ave Coho dropped from 7-9 pounds to 3-4 pounds, just underfed fish. A La Nina, which is colder water conditions, is now here which hopefully means better ocean feed. Everybody always looks at the river habitat and that's it. Salmon are basically a salt water fish that only uses fresh water as a nursery. These runs heavily dependent on ocean conditions, as well or more than the rivers.
The tribes want us off the water, done, kaput. good-bye. To them, the current issues are just a good tool to get rid of us.
I just don't understand some of you guys. Why are so quick to give up your rights? Shoot, the tribes were netting Willapa just last week for the very few springers that still run there. They will never give up their nets. For them it is what they do, its money, its always about money.
If we cant fish now what makes you think you'll be able to fish when the Coho runs come back, as I expect? Now that the tribes know they can shut down sport fishing down they will do it again.
http://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/tribal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Our current Coho problem, maybe Chinooks too, is due to poor ocean conditions, warm water blob, El Nino etc, This has devastated krill which is the bottom of the food chain. I knew this was coming last Fall when our ave Coho dropped from 7-9 pounds to 3-4 pounds, just underfed fish. A La Nina, which is colder water conditions, is now here which hopefully means better ocean feed. Everybody always looks at the river habitat and that's it. Salmon are basically a salt water fish that only uses fresh water as a nursery. These runs heavily dependent on ocean conditions, as well or more than the rivers.
The tribes want us off the water, done, kaput. good-bye. To them, the current issues are just a good tool to get rid of us.
I just don't understand some of you guys. Why are so quick to give up your rights? Shoot, the tribes were netting Willapa just last week for the very few springers that still run there. They will never give up their nets. For them it is what they do, its money, its always about money.
If we cant fish now what makes you think you'll be able to fish when the Coho runs come back, as I expect? Now that the tribes know they can shut down sport fishing down they will do it again.
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