is this how everyone salmon fishes?

[Rich McVey]

This is retoricle:


Am I a snagger/flosser??

I use (in order on the line):

attach lead to line via a 6 in leader on a snap swivle
add bead
add swivle

attach a 3 ft leader
add a spin n glo
add bead
add hook


For the most part my gear sits in one spot for 15 min shots before moving unless something is felt on the line than yes I will try to set the hook. Most ot the time.. nothing.

I have never tried or intended to catch via snag/floss but incidentals have happened.

Are you defining me by my method or intentions?

[GoingtoFish]

Sounds like Plunking to me. Not snagging or flossing.

Just my 2 cents. ;)

[GoingtoFish]

I decided to do a little research on the fishing term "Flossing". Here is some interesting stuff.:

From : http://www.nestuccariveroutfitters.com/tips.htm

Flossing. This method employs a longer leader and usually just a bead. No bait or other attractants. This method is drift fished thru fish sitting in a run, opening and closing their mouths to breath. The hope is that a leader will end up across a fishes mouth and then the fisherman will tighten up until the hook is very near the mouth and then the hook is set. Very often this will result in the hook being in the mouth or just outside. This fish did not bite a bait and you really didn't get it to strike. It's a bit like riding a motor cycle and getting a bug in your teeth. You didn't bite it but it ended up there. Most real fisherman don't condone this method and if you believe your a good fisherman for doing it think again. The skill is in figuring out how and what a fish will actually bite. If meat is all your interested in go to the store .This is supposed to be a sport.

From the Bellingham Herald: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/hunting ... 12183.html

Via the use of a questionable technique, state fishery managers say that Samish fall chinook fishing has slipped back into a disorderly state.

This dubious fishing happenstance or some say deliberate manipulation of terminal tackle known cynically among anglers and game wardens as 'flossing' is causing an unacceptable number of these kings to be hooked somewhere on the outside of their bodies, instead of inside the mouth or on the head.

NO TARTAR CONTROL HERE

From a competing forum (I'm not a member. WL.COM is way better.) but there is a picture of an actual rig and then at the bottom another funny pic: http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=185069

Another good article : http://articles.outdoorcanada.ca/Homepa ... 167p1.html

I found numberous other articles. This is a HUGE discussion topic on a number of other forums from Mexico through California, Oregon, Washington, Candada and Alaska.

[curado]

great info

[Rich McVey]

Thanks for the info, being a newbie on rivers, I was a bit confused by some of the terms.

Not what I'd call "Fishing", more like culling. Pretty Lame!


Glad to know Im just a Plunker

[R.Ton]

I decided to do a little research on the fishing term "Flossing". Here is some interesting stuff.:

From : http://www.nestuccariveroutfitters.com/tips.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Flossing. This method employs a longer leader and usually just a bead. No bait or other attractants. This method is drift fished thru fish sitting in a run, opening and closing their mouths to breath. The hope is that a leader will end up across a fishes mouth and then the fisherman will tighten up until the hook is very near the mouth and then the hook is set. Very often this will result in the hook being in the mouth or just outside. This fish did not bite a bait and you really didn't get it to strike. It's a bit like riding a motor cycle and getting a bug in your teeth. You didn't bite it but it ended up there. Most real fisherman don't condone this method and if you believe your a good fisherman for doing it think again. The skill is in figuring out how and what a fish will actually bite. If meat is all your interested in go to the store .This is supposed to be a sport.

From the Bellingham Herald: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/hunting" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 12183.html

Via the use of a questionable technique, state fishery managers say that Samish fall chinook fishing has slipped back into a disorderly state.

This dubious fishing happenstance or some say deliberate manipulation of terminal tackle known cynically among anglers and game wardens as 'flossing' is causing an unacceptable number of these kings to be hooked somewhere on the outside of their bodies, instead of inside the mouth or on the head.

NO TARTAR CONTROL HERE

From a competing forum (I'm not a member. WL.COM is way better.) but there is a picture of an actual rig and then at the bottom another funny pic: http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=185069" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Another good article : http://articles.outdoorcanada.ca/Homepa" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 167p1.html

I found numberous other articles. This is a HUGE discussion topic on a number of other forums from Mexico through California, Oregon, Washington, Candada and Alaska.

Old info deserves a bump.

[chongo469]

I've only taken one king on yarn and it was scented. silvers take it better, and it works amazingly well for chums. Most of the snagers I see use black or purple corkies and black or purple yarn. I use large puffs or orang, chartreuse or pink yarn with no corky on about a 2-3 feet leader, and sometimes when the water is really shallow and clear 4ft leaders. I use 10lb leaders usually (light by most salmon fisherman standards). When I attach eggs I usually get a lot more jacks and less adults.
When I fish yarn I end up with about 50% of the fish I catch that bite and the others are either flossed or accidentally foul hooked (very few, less then 5% of your fish will be foul hooked if you don't set the hook every cast).

I don't think color has anything to do with it as we use purple jigs for chum and I have only once foul hooked a chum on float and jig..... In my opinion ( 30 yrs of fishing salmon and steelhead) if you need more than 4 ft of leader you are flossing.... If others want to do it and they are getting them in the mouth, go for it.... I just choose not to myself....

[oneshot]

wheres the emoticon for beating a dead horse here?

[chongo469]

+1 Oneshot....

[TroutSnipr]

It's kinda funny because on this week's episode of Hawg Qwest they were trying to floss salmon up in Alaska sight fishing with a fly rod and Dave the guide was trying to explain where the fish had to be hooked 'in or around the lip/jaw' area to be a legally caught fish.

[chongo469]

It's kinda funny because on this week's episode of Hawg Qwest they were trying to floss salmon up in Alaska sight fishing with a fly rod and Dave the guide was trying to explain where the fish had to be hooked 'in or around the lip/jaw' area to be a legally caught fish.

Some places around here require inside the mouth, which if your flossing, most times will be outside in the corner, when it says inside the mouth, I wonder if most people know that means the hook and not the line...

[Brat Bonker]

I do not understand why everyone says that you are a flosser if you use beads, most of my fish that I hook are inside the mouth and if they are not than oh well, I just put them back. I have caught steelhead, coho, chum and pinks all with beads legally in the mouth via a bite, am I a flosser if I use a dropper bead off a jig? What about if I am casting and retrieving beads like spinners? What about if I am using eggs with those beads or just with yarn and a really short leader? Fish do bite beads if you can put right where they like it they will take.

[TroutSnipr]

Exactly, though I have not read the Alaskan regs which is where they were fishing, which may of course be different. But i think its fairly obvious to someone that is after the fish as a sportsman that they should actually have the hook/bait inside their mouth when you set it. I don't think beads have anything to do with being a 'flosser' IMHO. I use them integrated into my Spin-Glo rigs, with yarnies, with corkies etc.

[chongo469]

I don't think beads, yarn, corks etc.. Have anything to do with flossing.... It's how they are fished, how long of leader and manner of how setting the hook... Those ripping sideways when sight fishing are flossing most of the time. IMO but they sell gray corks so one could say that just using a bare jig head is legal as obviously gray must be a good color for them... Lol

[chongo469]

BTW..... I don't imply that is anyone is a flooser or a snagger untill they prove to me otherwise.... Everyone fishes the way they are gonna fish and untill I see a fish on the bank that is obviously foul hooked or obviously flossed, I make no judgements of people.... I just assume everyone tries to fish ethically and legally untill proven otherwise...

[R.Ton]

BTW..... I don't imply that is anyone is a flooser or a snagger untill they prove to me otherwise.... Everyone fishes the way they are gonna fish and untill I see a fish on the bank that is obviously foul hooked or obviously flossed, I make no judgements of people.... I just assume everyone tries to fish ethically and legally untill proven otherwise...

and what would you call someone who uses a 15foot to 30foot leader?

[drysuperfly52]

does topic blow up every year? the seasons just starting and i done hearing about it, your going to use what your going to use. your not changing what the guy next to you is using. deal with it and drop it.

[R.Ton]

well what are you going to do when they ban flossing here in washington like they are doing in oreygon? cant wait for that.

[chongo469]

I call it wasting a hell of a lot of money on leader... If you see something illegal , report it...

[oneshot]