broodstock what? are you talking about a steelhead that has been recycled?

lol I a trusting guy but I'm not gullible.

I am a*

native and hatch cross. buddy. and yeah i know your trusting but you gotta know where to go. and i have went to the green 10 times and just lost gear so i was due for a good day. and hey good luck.

o yeah. get a drift boat that helps too. til then your just not fishin.

Sounds fishy...Never heard of a fish that is a hatchery/native cross being called a broodstock, and there's no way to tell.....

Sure, hatchery and native steelhead do sometimes spawn together, but I don't know how you would know that it is a mix between the two...

Yeah and if you catch a 26lb steelhead then you would probably give a 5 star rating and take a picture of the fish.
I thought broodstock was a hatchery who's genes where from that of the original system like native green river steelhead being turned into hatchery green river steelhead.

They ( some steelhead group) are taking the native steelhead in the green and breeding them for a hatchery broodstock program. (marking them hatchery) If he did catch one you are supposed to report it somewhere I heard.

There was a big debate about this program in another forum, alot of people were against it. I don't know who had the right to start turning our endangered steelhead into hatchery fish without any public debate...

yeah i am not sure about all the true facts about "broodstocks" the man who netted the fish for me told me this. and also you guys have pointed out that you dont know crap obvisouly just like i didnt so swallow your pride and fish.........i dont have a camera but thanks for pointing out i am broke.
i choose to spend my money on gear and gas. but i did release the fish, i dont eat them and dont waste them.
but thanks for giving me crap for trying to give heads up on what happend to me on that day. so for all you guys who wish you had a day like mine, your probably doing something better than me right....? but good luck.

hey dont let these people get to you. if you know what you caught thats all that matters. these people are jealous. great job on catching your steelhead, hope i can catch one soon.

hey stephanp253 relax and take a deep breath!! If thats what you caught then good for you but dont get on here and start cussing everyone out thats not going to get the point across its just going to make a few of us angery that you feel the need to get on here and cuss!!! If you caught you caught it great!! Get on the river and catch another one post it w a pic and prove it instead of screaming and yelling

well it seems that unless you have a pic no one believes you. to go out and keep trying day after day and post to give a heads up ,when i finally did some good, people basicallly called me a liar, which i am not. and to tell me i dont know what i am talking about when they obvisouly had no idea either. yeah cussing is just another way for me to say. i was angry! and felt kind of like you guys bring a little bit of un sportsmen like conduct, calling another angler a liar when you dont know him is kind of worse then cussing dont you think. well i am getting off this ban wagon.

i know how you feel but you know how it goes in everything that sounds to good to be true. I understand that it makes you mad all i'm saying is just to leave the cussing out and you can still get your point across.

Congratulations on the catch! In response to Jake Dogfish's comments about endangered steelhead, you need to do some research. The only difference between the native steelhead and the hatchery is the name and where they hatched. These differences normally manifest themselves by the absence of the adipose fin which the hatcheries clip off so they can tell the two apart. There's no genetic difference between the two and native fish are routinely retained by hatcheries for both their eggs and milt. Hatcheries do this to increase the gene pool of the hatchery fish so that genetic abnormalities don't become apparent over time. They are the same fish. If the hatcheries didn't mutilate them in some way (usually by clipping a fin) no one could tell them apart. The myth that they are two separate species has been propagated by the environmental movement as a way to artificially lower the count of returning fish in order to keep some listed as endangered. After all, if you can't count the hatchery fish and can only count the natives, then it does appear that the fish may be in danger. Counting them differently makes about as much sense as differentiating between bald eagles naturally born and those incubated, though both now thrive in the wild.

bjperry: Differentiating hatchery raised fish and wild fish is very important. Hatchery fish can often taste different, aren't as smart, and have more defects....

Hatchery fish need to be bonked when caught....Wild stocks of salmon are COMPLETELY different the pen-reared fish which are often released to pollute the gene pool of wild fish...

Chill everyone, and please, don't type language that you would be embarassed to say in front of a five year old. Thanks.

Sam: Let's hear the differences....Genetically they are typically the same unless the broodstock came from a different stream in which case those hatchery fish would be identical to the wild salmon from the stream they were taken. I think you're confusing hatchery fish with pen-reared fish. The former are bred and born in a hatchery before being released when they are a couple inches long, the latter are bred and born in a hatchery and never leave it. Yes hatchery fish tend to have more defects but that's only because natural selection is not allowed to run its course when they are in their juvenile state, in other words the strongest are not the only ones to survive. Whereas in the wild only about 20% of young survive, in a hatchery that number typically approaches 80 - 90%.

At any rate the fact remains that they are the same fish, not some genetically created monster. If there were significant differences the hatcheries wouldn't need to clip fins so that anglers could tell the two apart. This also explains why some federal courts have mandated that hatcheries must clip them; because without doing so the two could not be differentiated and environmentalists would lose their basis for claiming wild runs are threatened.

Anyone who doesn't believe this either hasn't done their own research or has simply swallowed the story the environmental movement is selling, hook line and sinker as they say.

thanks for the clarifacation bjperry. i think a lot of these guys needed to hear that.

Stephanp253, sounds like you had a pretty good day. Where abouts on the green were you? And what were you using for bait?

(If you dont want to give out that info, no hard feelings, I understand.)

no i was using a red glow corky and steelhead drift worm with a green glow tip with 1 1/2 of lead to sink it fast and a short leader about 18 '' to 24 ''. I was on the lower green I am not sure of the street but you go down a road until it splits and there is a plunking shack right where it splits you can park right there on the split or up a little bit further good holes al along that road. if you get to the soccer nets youve went to far and should turn around or try down there. seems like they like a big presentation.

How many inches was the steelhead about?

42''

didnt get a girth measurement, bill herzog told thats probably what it weighed around, impossible to tell with out the girth though but i never oversize fish, if anything i under cut them , just because i know sometimes we can all be "fisherman" and we all want our fish to be the biggest sorry youi guys havent had any luck. maybe try making your presentation a little more simple.

Keep on fishing bud! It's all about the joy of the catch and playing in Gods playground. Great fish! I caught my first 25+ this years and it was amazing. It takes a jelous man not to trust an avid fisherman. Keep it up!

Cool thanks, I will give that a try.

man i trust this guy. I have seen some huge steelhead come out of this river. And who cares if it was a broodstock or not.