Northwest Fishing Reports

Anyone know the netting schedule for the puyallup river?

I'm not positive but I believe it matches the lower river closings 8/28, 8/29, 9/4-9/6, 9/11-9/13. The intent being to keep tentions down between the netters and the sportsman.

Jerry H wrote:I'm not positive but I believe it matches the lower river closings 8/28, 8/29, 9/4-9/6, 9/11-9/13. The intent being to keep tentions down between the netters and the sportsman.

I also read this somewhere as well. Not sure if it's correct or not, but it makes sense.

There is a place where you can find the netting schedules posted for all the tribes and all the water. I posted it last year in another topic. If the puke is like the duwamish, they net the mouth even when it's open for fishing. I don't know, I could look it up later.

ugh. nets. I would rather see them long line it where it actually takes some skill than just carpet bomb the river and close it to people who want to catch fish the honest way.

ResQ wrote:ugh. nets. I would rather see them long line it where it actually takes some skill than just carpet bomb the river and close it to people who want to catch fish the honest way.

And Im sure the natives would have loved it if everyone else didnt jump over onto the land that was theres, kill them, rape them and then stuck them on reservations. Stripping them of their humanity and feelings of self worth. Making them learn what they wanted them to learn and then forcing a bunch of rules on them that didnt add up to the way they lived life. Dont think for a moment that sport fishing is better then a lifestyle stripped away and giving only on a schedual. Rather think of it as a group of people once again showing the Natives how to take even when the fish on the river is raised by the natives and released into the river. The Puyallups Raise most of the fish on that river. Should you be able to catch the fish they raise?

LOL touche poo. Saw one boat running downriver early this morning. Had netin boat but not out. Think maybe they're scouting for THEIR opener (Sunday).

flinginpooh wrote:

ResQ wrote:ugh. nets. I would rather see them long line it where it actually takes some skill than just carpet bomb the river and close it to people who want to catch fish the honest way.

And Im sure the natives would have loved it if everyone else didnt jump over onto the land that was theres, kill them, rape them and then stuck them on reservations. Stripping them of their humanity and feelings of self worth. Making them learn what they wanted them to learn and then forcing a bunch of rules on them that didnt add up to the way they lived life. Dont think for a moment that sport fishing is better then a lifestyle stripped away and giving only on a schedual. Rather think of it as a group of people once again showing the Natives how to take even when the fish on the river is raised by the natives and released into the river. The Puyallups Raise most of the fish on that river. Should you be able to catch the fish they raise?

So what was the date that you took part in that? I am all for preserving lifestyle and heritage but according to your description we should all be in jail. I have to follow the same rules and laws as you do, aswell as the schedules and seasons. I just wish there was an accountablilty system and quota to prevent waste as there are truck loads of salmon carcasses just dumped because they were taken in abundance and not used. That is a shame.

Once again. I am all for preserving their lifestyle and herritage. I even have a great deal of native american in me and feel that what happened in the past was a very barbaric event. But as far as taking and managing fish and game, I am a very ethical hunter/angler and was raised to not waste.

Hahahaha.. Its not even steelhead season. Now Poo my dads family were in Greece during tose times and my mothers family were in Russia during those days. Why should I have to suffer? Because my skin color? isnt that also a form of discrimination?

flinginpooh wrote:

ResQ wrote:ugh. nets. I would rather see them long line it where it actually takes some skill than just carpet bomb the river and close it to people who want to catch fish the honest way.

And Im sure the natives would have loved it if everyone else didnt jump over onto the land that was theres, kill them, rape them and then stuck them on reservations. Stripping them of their humanity and feelings of self worth. Making them learn what they wanted them to learn and then forcing a bunch of rules on them that didnt add up to the way they lived life. Dont think for a moment that sport fishing is better then a lifestyle stripped away and giving only on a schedual. Rather think of it as a group of people once again showing the Natives how to take even when the fish on the river is raised by the natives and released into the river. The Puyallups Raise most of the fish on that river. Should you be able to catch the fish they raise?

My great grandmother and her family were relocated from the shores of the Duwamish river and Lake Washington, to the bottom of Lake Cushman and were again relocated when they built the lake to Hoodsport. Many of my relatives still live there. My great great grandfather was Chief Seattle, who was Duwamish and Suquamish. The Duwamish tribe was congenial towards the white folks, didn't resist and so they got no treaty. But they were still treated poorly when the white folks decided to rip 'em off. My grandmother spoke Duwamish. I and my family are more native than many natives.

Many of my relatives that refused to leave when they raised up lake washington died because the black river dried up and they couldn't trap fish any more.

But would I net with gill nets and stretch them all the way across the duwamish behind boeing, trapping every fish, wild or not in a death trap, handle the fish poorly so that they are sub par table fare and sell them off to asia and people that don't know any better? Would I drive my boats up on your private puget sound beach and steal oysters from your own farm? Would I harvest crabs and not report them as part of the tribe quota? Would I comepletely disregard the damage that gill netting has on wild fish?

Nope. If I were to harvest fish, I'd use fish traps and selectively harvest fish. That's how they did it back in the day, they kept the fish alive until they could eat them or smoke them. Don't believe me, here's Gary Loomis' take on it. http://www.salmonuniversity.com/CCA_Loomis_1.htm

It's not a way of life when you take more fish than you need, and treat them like garbage. I've seen dead fish just hanging out in the skok nets all day. Some of the fish that they harvest wouldn't even be marketable besides to put in cat food. The quinalt and chehalis tribes have taken a huge dent out of the chehalis river sturgeon population, without having a recovery system in place. Our fisheries have halved since the 70's when natives started netting.

It's not the only reason that fish runs suffer. Dams, dikes, suburban sprawl and urban waste have also contributed. But insisting that we let natives do and get away with whatever they please based upon past transgressions by "white" folks in ancient history is absurd. Natives also used to go to war with each other and keep each others people as slaves, and steal women and children to become their wives. They used to hunt deer and elk with forest fires, burning the under brush to herd the animals to a waiting line of bow and spear men.

Giving anybody a free pass in the name of cultural sensitivity is just plain destructive.

Obviously some are stuck in the ways they think and dont look at it openly. Im native yes do I net no. Do I think there should be nets yes but traditional style. I dont want to net fish nor do I like that there is netting. Im sure many Natives dont like that they was forced to live the ways that they live now. Its ok for the ones that read what I wrote and understand it ty very much. For those that dont understand and think Im trying to argue Im sorry. Not because I should be but Im truely sorry that youre not open enough to talk about it and then aplaude and thank someone for the same mindset. Truely gr8 people, truely gr8. Im thrilled and excited to be in your presence.

flinginpooh wrote:Obviously some are stuck in the ways they think and dont look at it openly. Im native yes do I net no. Do I think there should be nets yes but traditional style. I dont want to net fish nor do I like that there is netting. Im sure many Natives dont like that they was forced to live the ways that they live now. Its ok for the ones that read what I wrote and understand it ty very much. For those that dont understand and think Im trying to argue Im sorry. Not because I should be but Im truely sorry that youre not open enough to talk about it and then aplaude and thank someone for the same mindset. Truely gr8 people, truely gr8. Im thrilled and excited to be in your presence.

Fair enough. All I was saying is that if something is destructive for everyone, we shouldn't let people do it.

racfish wrote:Hahahaha.. Its not even steelhead season. Now Poo my dads family were in Greece during tose times and my mothers family were in Russia during those days. Why should I have to suffer? Because my skin color? isnt that also a form of discrimination?

Rac did I ever discriminate? No I am saying that people that complain about puyallup netting the fish that they create should start asking themselves where this fishery would be if they didnt net and didnt put fish into this river. The river itself was way over fished up into the 70s and 80s. It was known to be a prime steelhead river in the day. It was over fished. Puyallup puts a hatchery on it makes more fish revives the river and people still wanna complain. Usually the ones complaining are the ones that rarely catch fish and need to make an excuse why they are not catching them. I honestly dont care what nationality a person is rac. Not a care of where ya come from. I usually dislike people for who they are, how they act. I fish next to many different nationalities and get along gr8 with most of them. Its the ones that dont know how to fish, the ones that speak of things and its obvious that they really have no clue of what they are talking about. Those are the ones that bug me.

Nate, you hit every point straight on the head.

natetreat wrote:

flinginpooh wrote:Obviously some are stuck in the ways they think and dont look at it openly. Im native yes do I net no. Do I think there should be nets yes but traditional style. I dont want to net fish nor do I like that there is netting. Im sure many Natives dont like that they was forced to live the ways that they live now. Its ok for the ones that read what I wrote and understand it ty very much. For those that dont understand and think Im trying to argue Im sorry. Not because I should be but Im truely sorry that youre not open enough to talk about it and then aplaude and thank someone for the same mindset. Truely gr8 people, truely gr8. Im thrilled and excited to be in your presence.

Fair enough. All I was saying is that if something is destructive for everyone, we shouldn't let people do it.

Again. A great train of thought that you would think is common sense. That is some pretty great history Nate! Actually really enjoyed reading it. Poo, you have a great view regarding this, but it doesnt seem that you are open to varying opinions. I have Norwegian herritage. Alot of my ancestors were vikings. That doesnt mean I can pillage around today because I want to live as they lived. I feel that the way of life does need to be preserved for native americans. Absolutely. But they are not fishing and hunting to stay alive and nothing is keeping them on the reservation. My comment does not just pertain to the Puyallup river. Its the fashion it is done in all the waters that I fish and enjoy.

I agree 100% that the Puyallup's have a right to their share of the fish in the river. They have hatchery's on the river and produce a good share of the fish that are in the lower river. The problem that I have is that the nets are not selective. They take everything that swims into them, wild fish, endanger fish, indian hatchery fish and state hatchery fish. Yes when we fish the lower river we catch a portion of the fish produced in the indian hatcheries. But when the nets go in the lower river they not only catch indian hatchery fish, they also take the fish that should find their way farther up the river to spawn. Gill nets are not the answer selective fishery's, fish traps and purse sein nets need to be looked at. Learning to respect each other as much as we claim to respect our fishery would go a long ways in resolving all the issues.

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Its the ones that dont know how to fish[/h], the ones that speak of things and its obvious that they really have no clue of what they are talking about. Those are the ones that bug me

ok, so i can understand your point on this... can ya answer this for me???? how the hell can they learn if they dont make mistakes and constantly watch and bug the hell out of ya to learn??? I dont have a sigle clue as to what I'm doing down at the river, but I like to sit close and watch to pick up the lil tricks to the trade. So that would bug you, if it does.... wel I now know WHO not to fish near. Now as for the talkers... I dont have any love for story tellers.

Bisco I dont have a problem teaching people or talkin to people even. But the lady that yells loudly and uses barbed hooks and snags fish in by the tail and puts them on the stringer. Or the guy that casts out with his pier pole and dont care that your standing in the water fishing hes gonna cast over ya cause hes gotta get that pink. I can go on and on about different things I ran into over the years. If I was fishing next to you on the river and you was trying to act as though you know your **** and you cant even cast your rod without looking like a fool. If there is no accuracy in your casts and you cast into everyones line over and over. I try and tell someone that its a violation of the rules if you continuously set your hook over and over. They told me I do this all the time and I catch fish so it must be good. This is some of the things I wsa talking about. And one of the reasons I was in a bad mood that day was cause I ran into bs on the river it was fresh in my head. If you was on the river and nice Im cool. But if ya dont wanna fish with me cool, thats for you to choose.